Yes, Putting People First was reissued, I believe it was June. As I recall, the distinctive thing about Clinton, if everyone had one courageous stand, his was on free trade. It should have been, I suppose, more evident at the time, but such things never are. I certainly have every reason to want him to. I did not have a crystal ball to the effect that he was going to make it and that the dominos were somehow going to fall in a certain way that enabled him to do so. Japan accepted a series of goals that we wanted them to accept, but the teeth, in terms of enforcement, werent there. He demonstrated his phenomenal grasp of policy issues, just through sitting there for many hours a day. So if Clinton and Burns ever had any conversations, they certainly didnt communicate, Im sure. Do you think that making this effort was driven by foreign policy considerations first and foremost, or was it genuinely an economic policy? Reagan had a group called the legislative strategy group, the LSG, which was intended, whether this is reality or not, to look at the legislative strategy or legislative implications of the policy as a part of the process, developing very soon after his inauguration. Thats a very important difference, because it addressed healthcare, various items on childrens policy, crime initiatives, urban policythe full span of domestic policy issues, of which economic policy was just one element. The election took place on the first Tuesday of November. So it was a quick learning experience for Clinton. We assembled Carter and Ford and George H. W. Bush, and various other luminaries, Jim Baker, [Henry] Kissinger and so forth, to project a bipartisan front on NAFTA and Clinton gave the speech of his life. Very, I think, untoward behavior, myself. Clinton gave his State of the Union address, the 28th of January, eight days after being inaugurated. But what actually turned out to happen was that each Cabinet officer, or at least many of them, came up with a list of favorite initiatives they wanted. No. Lets hold off if we can just a couple of minutes before getting into the transition period and let me ask you a couple of questions about the campaign itself. Thats how politics works. They just didnt believe it would work. But I think one misunderstood aspect of his embracing NAFTA wasat that point he was being widely criticized for lacking in principle, lacking in conviction, a weathervane all over the place politically. Its very difficult to do that during a campaign. No, he was working the Hill like everyone else, but he was important. In some measure. But that was fairly brief, though. So the swing votes were the object of our attention. I think of people like [Harold] Carswell and [Clement] Haynsworth that Nixon appointed and who didnt make it, it was mostly because they were seen as inferior candidates. Andrew Garfield presented the Robert Altman Award at the 2022 Film Independent Spirit Awards to his old friend, Fran Kranz, for his film Mass. No. I mean, I just thought he was such a hero. It was excellent. Fifty Republicans had announced their opposition, 49 Democrats had announced their support, and Bob Kerrey was strolling around, going to the movies, which is what he was doing. Then thered been prior independent counsels. Then I came upstairs, Hillary was there. Erskine Bowles had to testify and so forth. So Fiske came to the conclusion that nothing had happened, Starr came to the conclusion nothing had happened, and certainly, if he could have found anything, I think he would have been motivated to push it. There were so many different Japanese Prime Ministers in that period I cant remember which one we had at that moment. Yes. Was it Mickey Kantor? I know the Congress and the Congress isnt going to buy it. But, in any event, there was some sense that if we would tighten fiscal policy, there was the opportunity to loosen monetary policy. Bentsen could tell you, within 4 percent accuracy, what was going to happen to every one of these bills. When we took office and took a hard look at the deficit estimates, they were considerably worse than we had thought. The process for conceiving it was a frail one, poor one. That is foolish because history provides lessons on these matters. We were negotiating a national agreement with the Japanese. Speaking out of school? He knew every comma and apostrophe in the bill. I should double-check that. He said he wanted to tell me that the President had decided to appoint Bentsen to be Secretary of the Treasury and Rubin to be head of the National Economic Council. Actually, as often happens in Washington, accounts of that testimony appeared in a lot of newspapers and mostly on page D20. It was really only when Erskine Bowles became Deputy Chief of Staff that a structure began to be built around Clinton that enabled all those processes to become more organized. some of these were extemporaneous, he had no notes, but he was quite an impressive speaker, I thought. There was a camp around that view. I think we made some, but it was grudging and limited. Now John Snow didnt learn that, hed never been there before and so forth and so on, whatever excuse fits him. We just discussed one of them, which is the up cycle in partisanship, as I call it. Now, of course, as far as working the Hill was concerned, I would take my cues from the constant and joint planning of the White House and Treasury legislative liaison staffs. Roger Altman, chairman and founder at Evercore, discusses the state of the U.S. economy, the four things that need to be included in the next round of stimulus, and I thought, perhaps not at that instant, but quickly thereafter, that what Clinton said to me about Wall Street economics was very funny. Lloyd Bentsen was a classic Texas conservative Democrat. I mean, youre sent down there, you have no training for it. Clinton had talked of course during the campaign about cutting the deficit in half during his first four years. Carter did the same thing but much lower key. There was a concern that wed spill all the rest of our blood on NAFTA and have nothing left. But anyway, in retrospect it was a very bad idea. Most of the people I mentioned, and Im sure Im forgetting a group of them, in fact, I know I am, but, I can recall getting slightly involved in debate preparationslightly now, not deeplyattending the debates, seeing drafts of speeches before he gave them, again, not all speeches, but certain speeches, that type of role. But most of my time was spent on legislation. I would say we had a definite policy, we just didnt achieve too much of it. Im not sure it makes entire sense, however, to judge or to assess a Presidents contribution by the standard of those who are given, in effect, a free gift of power to deal with a crisis. The next thing is a free-trade agreement, which I think the President could have dodged, he didnt have to go all out on that. Then late one afternoon, early evening I guess, 7 oclock, in the transition office in Washington, Warren Christopher called me. Bentsen had run for Congress at a very young age, successfully, was re-elected two or three times, then quit and went into business and was very successful in business. I dont recall having a meaningful role at the convention. Thats true, yes. It wasnt a process where people were maneuvering furiously to see who could get the last word in to the President or something. What did you mean when you said, I knew how not to do it? He and Kerrey had a very close relationship. Lloyd Bentsens reputation preceded him and he was a master of the game as far as Washington and the legislative process and handling himself and so forth in a way that few ever have been. The only reason I think it worked was Bob Rubin, who had the skill and the temperament to make it work. Were they talking broad strategy, were they keeping whip counts? The President relied on Bentsen and Altman to take on some of his Administrations toughest tasks. There were ten or twelve or fourteen or fifteen, big numbers. There were deals being cut like crazy, deals on tomatoes, deals on Florida citrus. I remember that day. We knew each other, but we turned out to be the first two to go down and I dont know why that was. So I wasnt sure what was going to happen, but there was no one in the field that was suddenly squashing everyone else including Clinton. Like everybody else, I thought he was finished when the Gennifer Flowers event emerged. So hes the one who asked you to serve in that position, not Clinton. Were you at all involved in the development of the side agreements on environmental issues and. and he said, No. The President decided it, but Mack McLarty actually called me. Its always a mistake to get in any kind of hassle with the Federal Reserve Board, always. You can do it through tax increases and then you have to choose the tax, and you can do it through spending reductions and you have to choose the area youre going to focus on. Then in the latter part of 93 I think, Whitewater began to surface, I think it was late 93. Until there had been hearings and so forth you dont get much of a sense of that. Im not sure he would have known me really at all. These cookies do not store any information that directly identifies you. The Clinton stimulus plan just was not well conceived. Im Gary Burtless. For the finance minister of an industrialized country to talk down his own currency always proves to be a mistake, always. I dont question the sincerity of every opponent. Because I think if you serve an administration, and you then decide to comment in some form or other, including in private, about the President and hes got these problems, or hes screwed up in this way, youre just lowering yourself. The second was the evolution of the deficit estimates during that period. So its clear that the idea about deficit reduction and fiscal policy takes root really during this transition. So again, it wasnt all about President Clinton. I just want to make one point. Then maybe half of them we discussed about this person, that person. Could you see at that point a set of priorities emerging with the candidate? This had been the thrust of the campaign, so expectations were very high that Clinton would come forward with a real economic program, a comprehensive program, and from the moment that all these folks were chosen the question was, what is that program going to be? You didnt have to spend a lot of time with Lloyd Bentsen to know that he wasnt going to be shunted aside. The ultimate plan was way too complicated for the Congress and the country to grasp and understand and soberly assess. Im a little too close to this, because Im not sure how history will view it. Did you ever get the sense that there were some people who mystified him? In any event, we didnt have a currency crisis at the time of that summit, or really didnt have one until the very middle, latter stages of the Clinton years. I should be very careful here. Again, I had the benefit of Lloyd Bentsens views. WebRobert Altman's House (former) Malibu, California (CA), US Like Tweet Share Pin The film director, known for making films that are highly naturalistic, but with a stylized Bentsen knew Clinton wouldnt get anything else if he didnt. And Bentsen did make the call. Three-quarters of the people who go into the Cabinet never want to leave it, its great being a Cabinet officer. Was there a perceivable influence from your perspective on having Perot in the campaign, making the deficit an issue from his vantage point? For example, much has been made of the dueling camps, the deficit hawks versus the populists. It began to get organized at the end of 91. I was often at the National Economic Council meetings that deliberated on those. So people should think of it in those very basic terms, and a lot of people havent and I think less of them for that. The assessment was correct because, I cant recall the size of the economy then, but today it is about $10.7 trillion. Fourth, I recall that the economic forecasts for 93 were not very heartening. But a very useful one. In the last 48 or 72 hours, because that vote was also a cliffhanger, although not as close. He had tried to offer every imaginable olive branch to the Iranian leadership. I mean, its amusing in a certain sense, but of the hundred members of the Senate he probably talked on any kind of regular basis to about ten. You had the bilateral talks with the Japanese and the G7 format. How difficult was it to do what you were doing in an environment where Mario Cuomo was sort of floating around trying to figure out. As far as healthcare versus welfare reform? Less and less now that shes her own public figure, but thats her nature. Sure, because you always focused on the swing votes. The House voted first, and on the day of the House vote we didnt think we had the votes, or at least we thought the odds were too high that we would lose. And trade was one of Clintons priorities and of course NAFTA was followed by a series of other trade agreements, GATT [General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade] and so forth. This is just a tradition, The answer is, in my viewthis is just my recollection now, other people would have a different onewas economics first, foreign policy second. What political or personal characteristics does she have that he doesnt have, what does she bring to the. Nothing, zero, never did, never would have. She herself has expressed regret over them. There just wasnt a candidate who had the capability to do that. I knew what the ATF was, but not much more than that. He was not confronted with a grave crisis, but I think history will treat him very well, because essentially. Those are two different questions, Id rather answer the will be question. The President said to me at one moment when we were alone, and with great heat, he said to me, Roger, you see, theres no constituency at all for Wall Street economics, which is how he viewed his plan, that hed sold himself to Wall Street and you see theres no constituency for that because were about to lose. Bentsen, of course, didnt know the House as well as he knew the Senate, so it wasnt unusual that he himself wouldnt know in the House. He paid more attention to golf and girls in University. Once he decided he was for it, he really got into it. But in any event, what gets discussed most in the campaign historically may or may not be the first or second major initiative that comes from the new President. But when youre in the administrationI mean, as you well know, there are many on the more liberal side of the Clinton alumni who think the administration basically adopted the Republican position on welfare reform and that was what enabled it to happen, and anybody could have done it and Clinton doesnt deserve a lot of credit for it. Then, as the weeks and months went by, it came closer and closer and closer to whip counts. He didnt think much of the Btu tax. There are extremes here. It had a very different constituency than the economic plan. At my sons school, on the floor where the history department is, each President gets a little tiny picture and about two lines. WebKathryn Reed Altman and Roger Altman attend State of the Union Dinner at The Re-Opening of the Plaza Hotel Ballroom on January 28, 2008 in New York Roger Altman and Mayor Michael Bloomberg attend THIRTEEN and WLIW 21 Annual Gala Salute at Gotham Hall on April 30, 2007 in New York City. But its not too different from Clintons style, very personal, very, very personal. I referred to the Bert Lance affair when I was serving the Clinton administration, and in that case the controller of the currency, who is an independent regulator, was charged with looking into it and delivered a report that ultimately proved to be Bert Lances downfall. We believed that by maintaining the highest standards of excellence we could create a firm unlike any other in terms of capabilities to advise on highly complex strategic transactions, dedication to our client and our experience and professionalism. I might have if I had not known Bob Rubin, but I knew him better than anybody else in the administration knew him and I had great confidence in him and knew that he and I would relate well. I mean, I saw a lot of the two of them and I became quite friendly with Hillary, and by the time I left the administration was actually much more friendly with Hillary than I was with the President, even though ironically Id obviously known him first. But it was quite obvious that wed lost the battle. Carter had the famous $50 rebate, which became the object of much derision ultimately. Of course Mack McLarty was there and all theif I can call them factionswere represented. People trooped down and sat around and briefed Carter, but he was sitting there figuring out do I want to appoint this guy or that person, and so forth. But it wasnt political on one hand, policy on the other, just different ideologies. I was elected twice vice president of my class. Theyd review it and youd go to a meeting where you received a 900-page memo, three quarters of which you didnt understand. You say you knew Rubin well, but did you have a sense that in the other places where economic policy-making is made there was ever any tension over this kind of an arrangement? In other words a handful of conservative Democrats whose votes we had to have because we had no Republican votes. Under the normal circumstances, like Clintons, they have considerable difficulties in an adverse political environment to get anything done, and that is the more normal historical situation. Not likely, and was not the case in 92. Bentsen also wanted the resignation of the Treasury General Counsel, who resigned too. There was a whole bunch of work going on on that but I was completely preoccupied with the Presidents economic program and trying to get it passed, not just during the war room period but before that. So yes, the themes were in the State of the Union. So we were not classmates, and we were not buddies in that sense, but we knew each other pretty well by standards of students who were not in the same year. You were in Tokyo when the President went over? He said, What do you want to do? But it wasnt clear that he was going to do so until not long before he did. Well, let me stop. And, to some degree it was also, of course, for Clinton to take the measure of certain people he might be appointing. Unfortunately, during the Clinton era ultimately there were four, five, or six independent counsels chosen to look into Bruce Babbitt and Ron Brown and some of the other people. It doesnt make sense, it belies any grasp of history, and so forth. Somehow it came off successfully in Miami with all these heads of state and everybody was very happy with it. Ive been struck on several occasions in response to questions, youve referred to historical patterns and trends. Im just saying the Japanese side very much viewed it as a zero-sum game, therefore anything we got was, from their point of view, giving up something. Ill never forget that, he was a good guy, a real good old boy, I cant recall his name now, hes not in Congress any longer, but I arrived at the airport and he meets me and he says, Look, just get one thing straight, youre not going to say a word today about guns, nothing. But its just one of those periods in Washington when partisanship is at a peak. Mike Blumenthal, the first Secretary of the Treasury, knew, but he didnt have a close relationship with Carter. No, I went back the next day. You see a lot of candidates you know arent going to work that way. Because if you decided not to go on NAFTA you really couldnt ever go back and say, Im a pro-trade President. Things like, I cant remember what example we used, but Senator X voted for us because he was afraid hed have to have lunch with the President again, things like that. I think everybody has a different calculation. I dont think thats a very good answer to your question, but I dont think I have a better one. Mexico was looking for the freedom for its trucks to cross the border and continue to deliver in the United States. But Lloyd Bentsen was in that league, top five or six or seven. Ira Magaziner himself, whom I had known for some time, was a gigantic intellect. Was there a representative of the campaign. How can you get more quantitative and specific than that? I went also for the election. I wasnt sitting all by myself with him, but sure, there were various opportunities to be in relatively small groups with him. That was my third or fourth trip, in 93. Its curious to me, but thats how it worked. Today it is seen as structural. The RTC had to choose between allowing the statute of limitationsto expire; filing charges, criminal charges; or, as often happens, entering into a so-called tolling agreement, where if youre the party under investigation, you voluntarily agree that the RTC can circumvent the statute of limitations because you believe that if they have more time theyll ultimately decide to exonerate you and you dont want them to be forced to make a decision about filing or not filing charges. Not giving it a lot of thought, frankly, I said, Sure. Then there were other people who went down and the press was following all this. WebRoger Ebert March 07, 1978. On changes in the bill, unless they were truly minor, those were deliberated at the highest level. That has historically been, or at least in the modern era, a successful approach. Clinton was here, and Mrs. Clinton. I mean, maybe Reagan was to some degree briefly an anomaly, although he never had the reputation of being an anomaly, and so I wondered if the President, as Commander-In-Chief, also responsible for foreign policy, viewed this particular policy in that light too. Well, it can be revived at any time, the Congress can just vote to revive it. So, the decision-making process was more than a bit chaotic, and the decision on the energy taxes was reflective of that. There was a widespread sense that Japan was taking advantage of the relationshipin various ways. Today, we serve a prominent and diverse set of clients and investors, including leading multinational corporations, large institutional investors and financial sponsors, and high net worth individuals. First of all, the Clinton White House wasnt really oriented to that. Everything imaginable. But I talked to Secretary Bentsen and I think hed been already talked to about it, but anyway, he said, Fine. Sure. 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