The other units are virtually identical on the same path: Now, technically speaking on last night’s run my Fenix 6 Pro was running a public beta firmware version (including public beta GPS firmware). They have a statement on their website saying because the buttons on Pace 2 are smaller, they did not want to add Trail running. No particular reason, I do really like widget glances on the Fenix 6 though…. I cover all the units to buy (and avoid) for the 2020-2021 indoor training season. Lol that quick-release band is the same thing I bought for my Garmin Fenix 6s Pro, u can buy them for like €12 on alieexpress! With Pace 2 now, it appears that if you’re not stroking, it ain’t counting. and general functionality, IMHO its biggest weakness is the quality of the LCD. Track mode came out back last November, and essentially does two things: Snaps your GPS track to the shape of the track (and a specific lane), and then snaps your distances to round numbers like 800m, etc… – knowing you likely pressed the button as you crossed the line. Which Garmin watch has a digital dial + button? Sarah. COROS uses it on their higher-end watch, as does Apple of course too. Basically, this is a safety cam. I second this. -The 2,7k samples Youtube look great, and to add to this, I use my GoPro Hero 5 Session in 1440p instead of 4k (the 4k doesn’t have EIS), could they have crippled this, yeah probably but I don’t really care, it’s good enough. I’m an ultra runner that struggles with navigation so I’d like something that I can download routes to that shows more than a breadcrumb trail to follow whilst having the battery life to handle long races and training runs. However, it appears that it lacks the support of Ant+. Note that technically I find the Garmin ANT+ cadence-only attachment system slightly better than Wahoo’s, as it doesn’t require zip ties and instead uses an industrial-strength rubber band. I feel famous now! And in any case once you create an account and log in the first time, it works without an internet connection.). Wahoo Blue SCv2 - Bluetooth Smart/ANT+ Speed/Cadence Sensor. Hi@all, can anyone tell me which power settings (without connected to stryd etc.) These days, I’d definitely recommend the Pace 2 over the Suunto 5 for all but navigation-focused people. The result being I did not trade-in the watch for the lower price. Before we go too much further, if you’re looking for indoor trainers or power meters, then check out my two dedicated posts on that. DJI lacks any of that today. Also note that with the COROS Pace 2 you can specify whether you want ‘Realtime’ 24×7 HR, or ‘Every 10 minute’ HR. I suspect it has to do with case thickness and antenna placement as the watch has to get some kind of GPS fix in a very small timeframe. This magnetless Garmin Cadence Sensor attached to your crank arm and transmits cadence over both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart to apps, watches, or bike computers. Ok, lots of recommendations. only by using the pace 2 itself are available? Hey, the 2019 Device Recommendations link in the main Menu points to the 2018 review. Then you have distance alert and pac alert. Only have Activity Alert and Auto Pause. Are there any modern watches without cloud? Sure, they probably could have gone with a $249 price point, but I’d strongly argue that once you get there, then you’re within range of all the mid-range $279 Suunto/Polar options that have more cohesive online and app platforms. Do I need a barometric altimeter for hiking? I don’t want any cloud. This is one of the top straps I use daily for accuracy comparisons (the others Polar H9/H10 and Wahoo TICKR X). Their wrist-based running power is a great example of that. Whereas Garmin screens seem to be consistently visible in bright sunlight, I’ve found the legibility of the Coros screen is unreliable: I have to tilt my wrist to just the right angle to be able to read the display. Polar Flow I have not tried but heard that it is good. It’s also pretty boring with the fixation nowadays on making EVERY device round and feminine designs. If that’s the case (but certainly not saying my choices aren’t good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies “picks”, check out The Girl’s 2018 Gear Guide too. The little white splotches in the corner are where I started each set of 800m. Once you’ve added a pile of workouts to your plan you can go ahead and save it, and then set the start date. This probably a dumb question but if you’re looking at a wearable that downloads/caches music do you have to subscribe to a premium service, like Spotify for example? Both have good Stryd support once you install the CIQ apps from Stryd. I’m a cyclist, training for a first marathon, my polar RC3 is now obsolete. Hence the concern about the Coros swimming HRM. Inexplicable to miss such a key watch. If so, then it’d probably also work with the Garmin HRM-TRI/HRM-RUN/HRM-PRO/Wahoo TICKR-X 2020. Does it work with a classic garmin ant+ foot pod or only with a stryd? All the more reason we need Ray and his ability to go comprehensively at-leisure, and provide a well-rounded review. Ray, I haven’t seen you mention fall detection options. The Garmin watch with a similar battery seems to be the Fenix 6 which costs 3 times as much!!! Ray, did you put up your 2019 Bike Trainer App guide yet? City and countryside, zero issues. It’s a rock star with a reasonable price. 3hrs running a week and 5-10 hours riding is my makeup. Don’t get me wrong – I think what DJI did with the Mavic Mini is amazing, but I also think they cut too hard in features in order to hit that weight limit. I’m debating getting the VA4s for the wife as she likes to run with music. Raul, Thanks for the reply. If you’re new around these parts, here’s the long version of my story. Garmin refreshed their entire lineup from top to bottom, COROS added a bunch, and Fitbit, Apple, and Suunto also added new units. Bikepacking, multiday touring, cold climates and so on. If you’re new around these parts, here’s the long version of my story. Though, nothing has actually changed since last year. Last year they owned the budget category here. Lots of discussion on Garmin forums about it. As far as I realize there is no data field for power zones for workout interface “running”. It was released in 2016 and this is a 2019-2020 review. Here’s what’s new in the Pace 2 specifically: – Addition of running power without any accessory I am wondering how it would work for someone who wants turn by turn directions (or at least prompts) but has no use for a head unit otherwise (right now my phone is mounted to the bars). It’s because they’re releasing 10-20 fitness/outdoor/sports devices per year, and more people are buying them than ever before. It just does it all automatically while displaying the stats in real-time on the inside of the goggle, heads-up display like. I think the recent firmware update improved the device’s heart rate monitoring significantly. And in the App Store reviews for iOS, there’s a mention of the app copying data from your device clipboard (this is not good). And then, as I hit the first strong headwind, both units rise correctly together. But then I realized it’s designed for tracking activities. It doesn’t really do anything Garmin can’t do, it’s mostly the price that is beating them. I then layered in a few more line items, and added the Polar units to it as well. If you press the lower right button it’ll iterate the tiny top text metric through data like sunrise, sunset, battery, and stairs climbed. I am trying to figure out how/if I am going to come into the modern era. I’ve given up on it for now. No cost to you, easy as pie! So I’d always start on a corner, and then either hit headwind or tailwind. I find Pace-Pro and training load focus so useful that I think it’s warranted to give them space in the DCR comparison charts – Garmin should be noted for pulling ahead of the competition here. On the wrist you have issues with accuracy as the wrist flexes and tenses, both from letting light in and cutting off circulation momentarily. It seems an issue that many people encounter, some after an OS update some always, so it may to a certain extent be related to the AW or OS? Both typically only took a few seconds. Are you bothered most SUV look alike? It made me decide this has all I want. – Storage capacity increased from 16MB to 64MB Again, wind-speed measured a few blocks away at the weather station was ~30KPH sustained, with gusts to 57KPH (I started at ~4PM). Thanks, As for the Polar Grit X? The COROS website says the Pace 2 is 29g with the nylon band and 35g with the silicone band, so you’re right that the nylon is lightest. This is all in the pursuit of adding workouts to a week by week baseline, but not necessarily a given date. Thank you for prompt response. Finally, I’ve just added in another run – this one on a crazy windy day. Vantage M is just 20 Euro more than a Polar Ignite on Amazon here in Europe. Thank you again Ray for saving me hundreds of dollars on a watch upgrade. It’s the ability to do literally everything from that unit – no phone required. Series 3 is a steal now at $199 (remember, it has GPS as well as offline music support). Yeah, I’d say that’s a reasonable price actually for it – and I’d strongly consider it at that price. In general, I never recommend folks use UltraMax/UltraTrac/Ultra-whatever from any brand unless they explicitly know they’re going to go beyond about 80% of the claimed battery life of any watch. I am increasingly using the breadcrumb trail navigation features of my good old 920XT to explore new cross-country runs. Many readers stumble into my website in search of information on the latest and greatest sports tech products. Overall Best in Class: Garmin Forerunner 945. Very similar to what you’d find on a phone in the advanced battery diags to see what apps or features are burning the most battery. If you’re trying to decide which unit to buy – check out my in-depth reviews section. This is actually cheaper than the 245 Music (£230), which seems strange to me as I thought it was a fancier model. My Pace 2 arrived four days ago, and had it not been for your in-depth review, I’d still be trying to find the “on button,” even after watching a few reviews on YouTube. That’s the core difference to the Wahoo BOLT, which while it has underlying maps – they can’t route atop them on the fly without a pre-programmed route. That said, the TLDR version is I’m not aware of any watch except a Garmin watch that allows both full configuration and data access without a cloud account of any sort. because of the “As best I can understand …”. Wahoo it seems is asking people to pay $180 more than COROS Pace2 which has arguably more features on the hope that it will improve to its value. Review & Blog; default-fresh-food. Anyway, I will order my Mini in january, it will be my first drone with a good camera (I had a cheap drone with a bad 480p camera and a DJI Tello that flies awesome but with only a 720p camera ), I will probably use it mostly for some landscape photo’s (as I’m more of a photographer) and some interesting wedding pics, and once in a while a quick b-shot for some of my bad video’s! Atop that – one of the biggest points for the Wahoo is the phone integration is super smooth and ‘just works’. With respect to visibility, and very nearsighted myself as well (although since recent years, reading nearby things, including watches bothers me more), I am quite happy with the option on Garmin watches to set up your own display–so for me that’s only the essential data as large as possible. – Right wrist: Polar Grit X with native wrist power Has there been testing that shows Garmin is worse than other brands wrist HRM for this? And for those more advanced runners, they’ve come out with easily the most comprehensive built-in support for the Stryd running pod. The legibility is not horrible, but Garmin screens (I’ve tried many over the years) are far better in this respect. Sure, they could relatively easily add standalone music support for MP3 files and such. Any advice? Frankly, this run was super boring in that everyone agreed: Speaking of agreement, here’s the heart rate graph from this run. I tried it back before, and it definitely didn’t work. While the FR645M has more and better sports (running) metrics, but it’s older. I look at the GPS tracks a bit later on, but in essence they were good, albeit not quite as perfect as the current openwater swim track king (Garmin Swim 2). If the 245 and 935 are equally priced, which one would you get? I’ve used a wrist-based MIO HRM for cycling and indoor rowing for the last 5 years. There’s some solid trees in here, and dense foliage. And to compliment that, here’s The Girl’s (my wife’s) list. What I want is an _inactivity_ tracker to keep track of where I am and where I’ve been when riding in the car, public transport, or wandering around on foot with my mirrorless camera (which doesn’t have GPS). Are you willing to review or test beta products? The Ambit 3 is still one of the best GPS watches ever made even by 2020 standards. It looks like santa has decided to get me one of these for christmas (because he knows I’ve been good, you can’t really get up to much mischief in lockdown). Suunto has historically done better, but less so lately. I thought I saw it a little while ago, but can’t seem to find it now. It’s a product that gets COROS back to their roots of doing what they do best: Being a well-priced alternative that offers solid features for a great price, while also being a bit of a disrupter. For some people it works well/OK, for some it’s a disaster. can anyone help? Thanks for the super in depth review as always. See, COROS ‘learns’ the track in the first few laps of any track effort, and in this case it appeared to learn the wrong track shape. Hello. Remember that Suunto doesn’t have a workout builder, unlike Coros, Garmin, or Polar; only a simple on-watch interval timer. F6 has horrible, horrible GPS track. I could also do the SL frame and just get a second sets DT Swiss G1800 Spline db which is the least costly. Great detailed review as always. I want to get an ECG based HRM. The screen is not a touch-screen display, but is color. Next, we’ve got the Lezyne Mega-X at $199. Do you think ithe ATR carbons are worth it with the weight difference in in the SLX frame? Here’s the Stryd Power Center data from the pod showing the blue line of how stable I was: And here’s the data from the Garmin Fenix 6 showing the same stability using the GPS/wrist-based hybrid for pace (despite claims to the contrary, all major vendors use a blend of GPS + wrist-based accelerometers for smoothing pace data). Oh – wait, if you’re new around here note that I don’t take any money/sponsorships/whatever from any of the companies in this post. Speaking of that integration, if you do decide to add a Stryd pod, you’ll find some handy features. Do you have any thoughts on Wahoo updating the Bolt (not firmware), but a new bolt device. How bad is it? You can save with the older version. I didn’t have opportunity to use any of them and actually I still don’t. Coros Vertix Desert Sol 1,175.00 лв. I find them super finicky for changing data pages mid-run (and near-impossible while riding), and that carries through to the Pace 2 also. Thanks! (I _think_ there was a limitation in the app in that it connects to the server for authentication. Let us know if you have any thoughts or impressions on it. The other metrics will remain the same (while it adds the new FORM Power metric when paired with either COROS or Stryd pods). Is it worth the extra money? When I needed a new one and saw that TomTom discontinued wearables, I switched to Garmin. The reason I ask is that so many of the FR645 features are found on the FR245/M. And to compliment that, here’s The Girl’s (my wife’s) list. It’s honestly about the only piece of the watch I dislike. Having trouble pairing coros pace 2 with my Garmin rd footpod. It’s plastic no doubt, but feels fine. But the company is rolling out integration with the Polar OH1 heart rate sensor any day now, which should make for a super interesting combo. You mentioned it broadcasts it’s own HR readings via ANT+, so just curious if it was setup using HR strap data, would it also rebroadcast that. My question is: How to follow an existing Coros Marathon training plan with an INDOOR RUN activity instead of a RUN activity? If for pool swimming only (no outdoor) would you prefer the Form’s or Swim 2? I load courses on my bike computer, not my watch, but that’s still the same ballpark. Sure, they trended in the same directions, but the offset was greater. The idea of switching platforms/ecosystems of historical metrics, and cranking health stats to an unknown cloud is not ideal for us Garmin folks. Note that it only accepts a single Bluetooth connection, versus dual-connections for the Polar H10. In my opinion, the wankers at Garmin should (a) have kept the square style, and (b) offered competitive update pricing. There is a point though where both units struggled, but that was somewhat expected – I was treading water there for a minute or two taking photos/pictures, so that’s natural. I’m also mountain biking a bit. I have a very old Garmin watch that does nothing other than give me distance, time, and speed while running, which I put in a spreadsheet. Most of the time. Soak your watch for a while with some soft detergent may solve the issue. The only thing the Garmin will have that I MIGHT want would be the ability to use the SWIM HRM chest strap, but that’s not worth an extra $400 to me. How does the watch work for Pool Swimming Intervals? One friend has a Forerunner 735XT which also lags in mileage (come on Garmin!!) Hello DC RAINMAKER! The next tab over is your workouts, showing you a list of recent workouts, and you can tap on any given workout to see more detailed stats (more in the sports section): After that, there’s the profile tab, which includes the usual configuration stats like gender/weight/age, as well as the ability to link up 3rd party apps here. The Wahoo Bolt has been out for over 3 years now. Note, I specifically break-out the triathlon section down below in the next header. However, the actual shape of the track is incorrect and non-aligned to where I ran. It would also bump up the price. The x models are biggest, because they have a bigger battery and therefore last longer. If you’re a regular runner with power then the Pace 2 is the way to go. It’s been a while since there’s been a watch that could cause Garmin heartache, and the COROS Pace 2 is unquestionably it. When you choose Triathlon, you have in the activity settings the option to choose “Custom”. Seems like a great deal, too bad about the total lack of navigation. I have my own music collection (mp3 files) and I can upload music files on my computer to my watch. Hoping that was all it takes, but I am bummed I can’t keep the buttons facing my arm. Thank you very much for your reply. If the Pace2 just alerts the user GPS has been loss, that a “buy” right there given all the other abilities are mostly on par (if it tries to regain lock, that is even better). its under activity alert. Hi all, Attention , bikinn.com is a spanish Shop! Hi Ray, great review as always, thank you so much. Click here to learn more about structured workouts. This allows you to not only create training plans, but also share them too – even with something as simple as a QR code. After seeing that the strap lugs on the Fenix 6 were very similar to the lugs on the FR945, which has been serving me well of the last 6 months, I took a chance that all of my Fenix woes were over and ordered one. The only exception though was the 3rd sprint, where the COROS completely missed the boat (similar to the beginning of the run), and basically just flat-lined. Hopefully, they’ll send you the new version 2 later this year for review. (HRM-Swim, HRM-Tri) Running Dynamics can be added with the Garmin RDPod. Is there a maximum? I’m learning what all the different metrics mean and how to use to better my workouts. 245 is based on a newer (Sony) GPS chip, longer battery life with GPS. You cannot really use wrist based for things like rowing, weight training, cycling, kickboxing, etc. I’m not sure anyone else is making a basic just-works footpod (speed, cadence) like that now. My goal here being to give my specific recommendations – exactly the same recommendations I’d give to my own friends and family. I am confused. May be I’m wrong. Speed-Only: Wahoo SPEED or Garmin Speed V2. In the case of the Edge 520 Plus, definitely probably should have gone back there. The pod pairs with my 920xt just fine, but when I search ant+ sensors on the coros pairing screen, it doesn’t see any footpod. Fitbit Ionic: I know, there’s the Fitbit Versa for cheaper. I click the twisty button once to transition then again to bike and so forth. At 6′ and 190 lbs, I’m not a huge guy, and I can barely get my hand through the strap. But if that doesn’t bother you, then go forth – you can absolutely scratch out ‘Forerunner 945’ and replace it with Fenix 6 above. ? Tom. I just open a ticket with Coros customer support and see if they plan to add the support for bike ride. “Also, it doesn’t import/account for plans from TrainingPeaks or other sources”. I’ve owned countless Garmin straps (HRM1 through 3, and HRM-Run), as well as a Wahoo Tickr, and I gotta agree with this one – the Polar H10 is king of the heap. Sure, Polar did that first – but Polar’s offering that has that is about twice the cost. Unlike the original Pace which had 5 buttons, there are no other buttons. Adjust the Max Heart Rate to change the zones accordingly. And to some degree they have. Thank you for this great review. I run and/or ride through three sets of tunnels/bridges daily that GPS is lost, and it always resumes each time within seconds. Does the Garmin hr tri strap work with the corus pace, and can you use its features? Coros Pace 2 Navy Nylon 389.00 лв. As for the just announced Mio Pod, in my testing at this point I’m seeing good accuracy results. Nope – it still got that spot-on correct. Wanna save some cash and support the site? Here’s the current list: Apple Watch: Apple Music (Note: While there are apps like Spotify for the Apple Watch, they don’t cache music) If I’m using a standalone optical HR sensor, it’s almost undoubtedly the Polar OH1 Plus. And here also activity data are mentioned. However, it’s likely they do all file processing app-side, rather than on-device. For this section here I’m going to focus on some of the basic non-sports features – things like activity and sleep tracking, as well as other tidbits on the watch itself (features and exterior elements). Look near beginning of Cycling Tech section.
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